Do we need change?

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Permalink Reply by Santhosh S Tuppad on May 26, 2009 at 4:12pm

Hi Mansi, it's really a good discussion you have added to the community. I think everyone need to think about what kind of discussions to be discussed and what replies should be given. If you go through some of the discussions then you can notice that some replies aren't understood by some of the members. Interest is created when members use simple english and it should be posted in such a way that the a person with normal communication skills can be understood about the discussion.

What happens when the discussions are not understood by members?
They just skip away without reading even the other replies if the first reply is not understood by them.

What can be done?
Put yourself in a place of junior testers or freshers and think if you can understand the replies.

I will be posting replies to this discussion after some time because currently I am having work.

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Permalink Reply by Rajathi Rajesh on May 26, 2009 at 4:19pm

Mansi / Santosh,

This is really true. Most of the time the answers are all "Abstract" or "Puzzling" and not to the point. I think every one should reply only with the intention of helping others and not to confuse novice users.

-- Rajathi

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Permalink Reply by Santhosh S Tuppad on May 26, 2009 at 4:24pm

Hi Rajathi, I really agree with you. I hope we can see some change in the style of discussions which can attract new testers to community & share their views. This shouldn't be a platform for only senior testers or experts but also any fresher or a junior tester who wants to get some information from the discussions.

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Permalink Reply by Michael Bolton on June 3, 2009 at 12:46am

Do you believe that anyone intends to confuse novice users? Do you think anyone replies without the intention of helping others? Do you have examples of answers that are abstract or puzzling and not to the point?

---Michael B.

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Permalink Reply by shikhar.singh on May 26, 2009 at 5:15pm

Hello guys,
No, I don't think that we need change, instead of this I think we need to change the level of understanding atleast for those who follow republic regularly.

Answers to your questions.
(mansi) >> I have seen many times in posts and their puzzling replies and it makes me feel Was this the actual discussion what we started ?
(A) Actually what happens is testing experts discuss every thing from null and keep on discussing a query into different direction and this different direction are some important parts to understand the actual query, which is really important, Ex. if you see a doctor operating, he never operates directly to a wound, he asks question about that wound like, how is the wound created, what object created the wound and so on ....
same way an expert works and ya not only testing expert but in general(any field expert)...
and some time a new thread within the discussion is created which is a bit confusing for the new ones. Solution for this is to keep an eye on the dicussion in which you are really interested and try to understand what the reply wants to say(inner meaning) and try to link that reply to the actual discussion(level of understanding).

(rajathi) >> Most of the time the answers are all "Abstract" or "Puzzling" and not to the point.
Accepted but, you have to agree this, in real world scenario no body answers your question directly. In this case test republic atleast try an attempt to give you an answer from some one who has the same problem but in a different environment, which you find abstract and puzzling.

(santosh) >> This shouldn't be a platform for only senior testers or experts but also any fresher or a junior tester who wants to get some information from the discussions.
Does that mean expert please be sperated we don't need you any more...
tell me one small thing if you have a query would you ask this query to a fresher (new same as you) or to an expert who is there with an answer.

Regards,
Shikhar.k.singh

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Permalink Reply by Santhosh S Tuppad on May 26, 2009 at 5:28pm

(santosh) >> This shouldn't be a platform for only senior testers or experts but also any fresher or a junior tester who wants to get some information from the discussions.
Does that mean expert please be sperated we don't need you any more...
tell me one small thing if you have a query would you ask this query to a fresher (new same as you) or to an expert who is there with an answer.

Shikhar, Here is what we need change instead of taking the discussions to the wrong point. Consider the below scenario,

A lecturer answers a students question and the student doesn't understand what the lecturer is saying. So what is the benefit of it for the student?

Well, my statement was clear enough that it shouldn't be only platform for experts but also freshers. Do you find anything wierd in it or it's clear :).

My statement is simple "It should be a mixture of all the testers irrespective of experts, juniors, freshers or anyone who is a tester".

>> Hello guys,
No, I don't think that we need change, instead of this I think we need to change the level of understanding atleast for those who follow republic regularly.

How many people do you think will come here to change their level of understanding in a single day? Do you think they are going to come back? The aim of the community to bring more testers and discuss the topics. It's not just only the regular members.

What is the purpose of discussions?
To help everyone and share their views. But the purpose is lost if it's not understood by members.

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Permalink Reply by shikhar.singh on May 26, 2009 at 6:15pm

OK, let me inform you this, I was'nt changing the point of discussion instead, I was asking you whether my Interpretation for your statement was correct or wrong.
>> Does that mean expert please be sperated we don't need you any more...

For example. lets say a person is standing on ground floor and he/she wants to reach 10th floor, now, would that person expect that the 10th floor should come down for me OR its persons responsibilty to reach the 10th floor my any mean.
(as per your example) Same way when a student asks a question its his/her reponsibilty to make sure that the teacher answer till he/she clarify his/her doubt.
On test republic there is no restriction that you cannot ask the person to clarify (simplify) more on.

How many people do you think will come here to change their level of understanding in a single day? Do you think they are going to come back?
Each and every tester will visit this site again and again only if the discussion is related to him/her and will come back to see the reply from an expert.

The aim of the community to bring more testers and discuss the topics.
Is that so ? I thought the aim is to educate testers, try an attempt to give solution for an issue while discussing on forum. I know some of you wouldn't accept this but, unfortunately thats a fact.
And if this is the aim then tell whats the use if we have more testers added but, no relevant topic or discussion to discuss about.
(this is a new thread which other might not understand but, if that other guy knows what are we talking about would understand quickly)
why does any one need a discussion community.
When does a person search for a discussion community.
Answer is when you face a problem and its you who have to match the level of understanding to understand the replies.

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Permalink Reply by Santhosh S Tuppad on May 26, 2009 at 7:43pm

Shikhar, It doesn't mean that if I don't mention other aims then it is not considered. This discussion is not to highlight what is missing in others replies but to be relevant replies to the discussion. It's one of the aim I meant. I suggest you to please look at the discussion description as I think that this discussion is taking a different route because you are taking it in a different way.

You need to go through my all replies instead of concentrating on the latest reply. If the aim was only to bring testers then I wouldn't have mentioned this point in the earlier reply.

>> This shouldn't be a platform for only senior testers or experts but also any fresher or a junior tester who wants to get some information from the discussions.

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Permalink Reply by shikhar.singh on May 26, 2009 at 8:04pm

Hey santhosh,
I don't think so there is a need to go through discussion description or all your replies, you know why, i did this purposely to give you a real time example this is what happen people start replying to the latest post instead of discussion but this is truly the (thread)creaters reponsiblilty to ask people, relevant comments on the discussion topic rather than on the recent post which is actually posted by some other person.

See now you have managed to link your second and fourth comment, this link is needed to understand the replies and to understand what the other guy actually wants to say or explain.

Regards...

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Permalink Reply by Pradeep Soundararajan on June 1, 2009 at 4:15pm

@Ravishankar,

There should be reply to the querry and alsoask user if he has Agreed,Partially Agreed,Totally Disagreed with the answer or he needs more explanation.If person has Totally Disagreed then the one who had given reply to the querry should be asked to delete the reply.

I disagree with what you have said completely. Can you please delete your reply?

Ravi, it isn't about who is right, or wrong. Life isn't digital for 1 and 0 to exist, it is always analogous. So, what might look as wrong to you today might be the greatest thing you heard in your life time.

If all evidence that the World isn't Flat was deleted, today we'd be still arguing is the world flat or spherical.

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Permalink Reply by Ravishankar Gopal on June 2, 2009 at 4:18pm

I Have deleted my reply.
But one thing is for sure if answer a person is providing to me is not correct 100% how can i use it for further reference.Then in that case one must not reply to the querry itself and restrain himself from replying to querry and he can just read the discussions.

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Permalink Reply by Pradeep Soundararajan on June 10, 2009 at 11:10am

What you think as 100% incorrect could be 100% correct to someone. In such a situation, you may want to argue with them or help them to see why you think of it the other way.

You shouldn't have deleted your reply. That was a joke.

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