QTP BPT with Peoplesoft

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Permalink Reply by Shrini Kulkarni on June 13, 2009 at 2:35am

How can business process testing (testing the process as it happens - not the application that facilitates the process) be done by a software tool? Any any case testing can not be "entirely" done by a tool. A tool can help to drive applicaiton GUI, input some values and make some simple a=b kinds of comparison.

Is that what you call as testing (leave alone business process testing)? few keyboard/mouse clicks, some inputs and some comparisons .... ?

Shrini

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Permalink Reply by REDDY SIVA SARAN.K on July 10, 2009 at 2:26pm

Hi,
I am interested to share this discussion

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Permalink Reply by Pradeep Soundararajan on July 10, 2009 at 3:17pm

Share where?

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Permalink Reply by Jeroen Rosink on July 11, 2009 at 3:57pm

I agree with the statement Shrini made: how can business processes be automated. When thinking about this and you are continuing with this are you testing the correct purpose? To me it seems you are only proofing you are able to write automated cases when connected they represent a chain of activities. To validate if the business is able to use the system you have to use the business itself for it. I think this is important as you are not testing the system, also the processes. By automating those processes you will not find challenges between process and system.

If you insist of using a tool, you might think of the Utility Productivity Kit from Oracle. With this tool you will be able to generate courses, work instructions, manuals and demo’s of the system.

If you still insist of automating business processes, ask yourselves if the maintenance which is needed of these scripts is worth starting automating. I would lie more focus on testing the several functions and layers then complete chains. Perhaps only a few (max 50) chains are needed to test the match between system and processes.

As PeopleSoft is now part of Oracle, you might even think about using parts of their method like the conference room pilots. They acknowledge 4 CRP phases.
In short:
CRP1: demonstrate the system contains usable functionality
CRP2: demonstrate the system is able to add functionality you need
CRP3: demonstrate the system is able to use needed functionality with respect of your data
CRP4: demonstrate the system is able to support your processes.

I think CRP1 to 3 are very well to automate, as it is specific for functionality and data. You might even start with basic scripts in CRP1 and reusing them for CRP2 and 3.
I hope this is of some use for you
Regards
Jeroen

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Permalink Reply by Shrini Kulkarni on July 11, 2009 at 5:31pm

I have been fighting with many (including HP) that the whole naming of "BPT" - business process testing is WRONG. Using QTP or any tool on the earth you can not "TEST" a "BUSINESS" "PROCESS". What you will end up in doing with this tool is - to execute some automated test that compares the behaviour of any an application (with that of a reference model) that is supposed automate a business process let us say "raising an invoice".

It is surprising to me that to many this naming of "BPT" has not evoked questions .....

Shrini

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Permalink Reply by Jeroen Rosink on July 11, 2009 at 8:17pm

Perhaps my previous post was not that clear. I mentioned a tool which can be used perhaps during testing; only this is not automating your tests. To me, BPT is focusing on how people are using the system for their processes. A important part of these test is the attitude of a user/tester. As far as I know, this cannot be automated and also shouldn't be automated. Next to attitude, perception of the user is also important. How does the user think about the system with respect to their processes? If a user feel inconvenient about the system performing their daily activities what value does the system have for them?

Some people think that combining functions in automated tests and making chains of tests is similar to automating business processes. To me it seems more like creating unmanageable test scripts. You also will create a false kind of confidence.

As far as I know, computers do exactly what they are told to do. They don’t think by themselves, how can you expect computers to think for you? What I often see is that users define their own approach how to handle with a system, function. What will the value be of automating this? Can this be automated?

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Permalink Reply by bj raymundo on July 13, 2009 at 12:39pm

Hi,

Since People soft is now Oracle. I think its better to test this application with Oracle application Testing Suite which is before from Empirix but now its also Oracle.

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Permalink Reply by mansi on July 14, 2009 at 11:34am

@ John

hi john. can you be more specific on what are you exactly looking for. Are you asking the information about Business Process Testing (BPT)?

There is an article given by Paul Grossman "http://www.advancedqtp.com/forums/index.php/topic,814.0.html" on BPT and QTP. Just check if it can help you

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